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mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Mar 31st, 2012, 3:06pm

OK i have a few Q's i was wondering if anyone could help me with .ill start out by saying i more than likely dont build cabinets the way everyone else does but when im done they are extremely durable .now i build boxes with FF but use euro style construction. So the base cabs on the backs i have to adjust in the edit box in the general standards.BTW the dado depth is set to 0 to acheive the right bottom size, the lower adjust ment is .5 on the width and .25 on height,now that gets me with a .25 dado on the hieght and leaves it flush with the top. uppers i build with a french cleat and dadoed backs 1' to the face of the 1/4' back (euro style) and solid top .i have to manually go in on all the uppers and change them to .25 on the dado and the width to 0 and the height to -1 .Is there a way to not have to do thishuh?? Second Q? Im having to add a valence to the uppers on this job and i wanted to bring the doors down past the bottom of the cabinet and leave the 1.125 reveal on the valence to match the rest of the doors (3/8 overlay) . there is 1 more Q .On the material panel layout is there a fast way to exclude the shelving from the box take off so that you can get to panel layouts for the material? 1 for the boxes w/o shelving and the other just for the shelves?? Sorry long winded undecided undecided anything helps ,I do not use the program to its full advantage and im trying to learn to dial it in ,its just ive messed up with the standards so much its hard to trust it mostlly , (its all ME the program is great ,its been user error EVERY TIME!!!!!!! )
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 1st, 2012, 1:37pm

I've read your post several times and I'm sorry to say I don't know exactly what you are asking. Maybe try rephrasing it.
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 4th, 2012, 10:20am

well which part ? smiley the backs are different from the uppers and lowers , i put a full top on the uppers with a dado so it has to be 1/2" added to the I.D of the cabinet ,where as the lower only gets a strecther on the top and i run my back flush with the top of the lower so the back has to be + 1" to acheive the 1/4" dado on the bottom and run flush with the top. i hope that helps a little ,now the valence is a 1.5 " and the overall dem. of the upper is 40" so they will be 38.5 "tall + valence,but i want the doors to run past the bottom of the cabinet to go onto the face of the valence and i need to keep the same reveal on the valence face as the rest of the doors which is an 1.125 because i use 3/8" overlay F.F hinges.and the final thing was doing take off you have the option to print out shelving master list ,when you optimize the box parts the program puts the shelving in the batch ,w/o having to go in and manually exclude each shelf from the list is there a way to just get optimize shelving cutout only . 2 sepperate cutout sheets ,1 for the box parts w/o shelving ,1 with the shelving only . ............clear as mud right wink wink ...........my terms probably arent helping Rob sorry if you dont understand no worries
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 4th, 2012, 5:56pm

The program has 4 sets of settings. Maybe you could setup one for your uppers and one for your lowers.

For the doors with the valance, try the custom door overlay. You can increase the overlay for the bottom rails.

If the shelves are the same thickness and material name as the boxes they will be included with the box parts. if they have a different material name they will be figured at the same time as the boxes but will be put on a separate sheet(s).
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 07:58am

ok that sounds good , so change the names of the default material and then it will do it seperately. thats another thing ive changed the names of materials for the job i was working on and it will never stay on there. i have to go back and change it , just happened to me the other day , i wanted birch ply instead of maple i changed it but it still said maple. Im going to get thuis dialed in one day but untill then thank you for responding to the MANY Q's ive had and going to have smiley
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:30pm

on Apr 5th, 2012, 07:58am, ruthless1 wrote:
...thats another thing ive changed the names of materials for the job i was working on and it will never stay on there. i have to go back and change it , just happened to me the other day , i wanted birch ply instead of maple i changed it but it still said maple...


Are you using the latest version of the program?
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:38pm

when i turn the computer on and open up the program it checks now to see if i have the latest version and it tells me yes, im messing with it right now because i made 5 drawers the wrong size width wise , and i checked the settings and it says to take off 1" which is what i want but the cabunet i built is 16" in width so that make the openeing 13" for the drawer box so you will need a 12" box in width for the guides to work ,it made them 11" and the bottoms are way off so i dont think it saves my default settings because i have used it before and it didnt do this.Today i used a 45 locking miter bit for the drawers so nothing should have changed , the long point if the angle didnt change ?? i allways just miter the corners and do it that way but i wanted to beef up the joint on this one . Not sure any suggestions ...... besides getting a new computer smiley BTW im going to get 1 only for this program as soon as i can afford it
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:48pm

If you're doing mitered joints for your drawers you need to make sure the 'rabbet depth for sides" is set to zero in the drawer settings.

Also, if you have more than one registered user on your computer, each one will have a different set of standards for the program. Make sure you always use it under the same user login to make sure there isn't any confusion.
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:48pm

uuuuuuuummmmmmmm im a little off today , its planing butt joints so the fronts would be 11 " in width and that WOULD make a 12" box lipsrsealed lipsrsealed im swamped with stuff to do sorry my mind is all over the place. 2 jobs 1 person (me) doing EVERYTHING !!!! = TIRED !! so i know what to do know adjust the settings to acheive the long point im looking for , but as far as the material names it will not stay changed . i changed it earlier and it right back to where it was
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:56pm

Are you changing the material names in the editing window for each cabinet by pressing the 'more' button?

Changing them in the general standards will not change it for existing cabinets even if you press the "save and apply to current job" button.
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:56pm

its just me and my wife here so thats not it ,she wouldnt touch the program thinking i would flip out, there is no way i could pull the stuff off i do w/o this program,and thank you for allways promptly getting to the issues , ........... i think i need a dummies guide smiley
its a real easy program to use i know , but for some reason everytime i go to use it something is different. When im done with these 2 jobs i got going im going to make time to come and sit in front of the computer so i dont have to relearn it everytime. i got the just of it but as far as just trusting it from the start NO, i do the prints for the customers and after they ok it , i come back home and go over every little thing to make sure its right and everytime i find stuff that needs changing. again this is allways user error
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 2:59pm

so you do have to change it on every cabinet ?? there isnt a way to just change it before you start to just be the default? that would be alot easier wouldnt it ?? you should be able to set the standards for the program before opening or creating a job i think but WTH do i know as you can see im allways confused
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 3:11pm

For the material names, yes you need to change them individually.

It's set up this way because you might have a job where a few finished right or left sides are not your default material. If the program changed every cabinet side to the default material it would be difficult to catch. Especially if you were just changing the dado depth and pressed the 'save and apply to current job' button.
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 3:18pm

ok that really doesnt bother me but the rabbet set to 0 doesnt change anything for me it still saying 11" for the front and back i even started a whole new file and changed it befor i started to see, also the box settings for the stack drawers , you can change the opening sizes for the 3 stack but not the 4 , i like to use the 4 stack with the top 2 drawer opening at 5 and the 3 at 6 and that leaves 7 , but it keeps 5 " for the first 3 in the 4 drawer stack when i change it in the settings,if im making this to complicated just tell me smiley you have helped me enough today , i can take you telling me to learn it better , i dont get my fellings hurt anymore . but dont leave me hanging for good ...... jsut making light if the situation rob , my sense of humor sometimes ppl dont get
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by ruthless1 on Apr 5th, 2012, 3:22pm

.5 gets it right smiley
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 3:26pm

On the 4 drawer base, the bottom opening is whatever is left over from the top 3 openings, the top rail, the middle rails, the bottom rail and the toe kick.
Re: mabey a impossible Q?
Post by Rob on Apr 5th, 2012, 3:33pm

The drawer opening heights should stay the same. It relly sounds like your computer is reading from 2 different standards files for some reason.